tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post3239651220809558394..comments2024-03-28T12:21:46.299-07:00Comments on Roads to the Great War: British Shell Failure at Jutlandsnielhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10631473280484584330noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-12604931231410207292022-02-10T03:39:41.061-08:002022-02-10T03:39:41.061-08:00Sorry but that is incorrect, the problem was with ...Sorry but that is incorrect, the problem was with poor shell and propellant handling due to trying to shoot faster. It almost happened to the Germans at an earlier battle and they stopped the practice. At Jutland the Grand Fleet and the 3rd Battlecruiser squadron comprehensively outshot the High Seas Fleet, but did far less damage due to the defective shells. freddieflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210129295797178961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-64023114935197898452021-03-15T19:30:08.296-07:002021-03-15T19:30:08.296-07:00Unstable cordite was the problem not LydditeUnstable cordite was the problem not Lydditefreddieflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210129295797178961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-47610830960371328762021-02-19T06:12:13.309-08:002021-02-19T06:12:13.309-08:00Jellicoe had for years attempted to have realistic...Jellicoe had for years attempted to have realistic gunnery tests for large calibre British naval shells. The response was always the same 'too expensive' and he was turned down. The British shells were only tested at 'normal' impact angles, however since 1910 improvements in fire control and torpedo range had dramatically increased the expected range of naval combat and thus the freddieflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16210129295797178961noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-54718707018949884462018-01-07T03:23:19.812-08:002018-01-07T03:23:19.812-08:00Referring to the British ships exploding. It has n...Referring to the British ships exploding. It has now been well reasoned that the sailors were stacking cordite charges and ignoring basic safety rules to ensure a greater rate of fire. Was it not Beatty who wante to emulate Nelson’s achievements. Corporal Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15210945535173255309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-90520994976543595812017-12-30T18:57:33.695-08:002017-12-30T18:57:33.695-08:00But that is begging the question of this post. Th...But that is begging the question of this post. The Seyditz took 24 British "HE" hits and still made it home. It should have went to the bottom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-74712686266796934692017-12-29T20:08:55.705-08:002017-12-29T20:08:55.705-08:00Naval Intel is about more than just finding the sh...Naval Intel is about more than just finding the ships. It's about discovering their capabilities, weaknesses, trying to analyze movements to anticipate plans, what countermeasures are best vs their guns, quality of crews, temperment of senior officers - - lots and lots of things come under the Intel umbrella.BuglerJayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12559519111357251237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-40353485157100539032017-12-29T16:29:21.519-08:002017-12-29T16:29:21.519-08:00Beatty made his famous comment "Something wro...Beatty made his famous comment "Something wrong with our bloody ships today" after the second of three battlecruisers had blown up, and his own HMS Lion had barely avoided the same fate. This was nothing to do with the failure of our shells to sink the enemy, but about the thin armour on British battlecruisers. Battlecruisers were never intended to take part in fleet actions along with Adrian Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400324254408765175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-81534032837519466572017-12-29T13:49:13.294-08:002017-12-29T13:49:13.294-08:00It is my understanding the British were using a sh...It is my understanding the British were using a shell filler called Lyddite which basically is Picric Acid which is known for producing a load and very bright explosion, effective against people but lacking the horsepower needed to destroy armor. In fact, the British were still using black powder in some of their shells, but I would not call them HE (high explosive). I am not sure if the Parnelli Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01225336201724687465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-74219766531006716672017-12-29T11:26:29.731-08:002017-12-29T11:26:29.731-08:00It is hardly a matter for Naval Intelligence. Find...It is hardly a matter for Naval Intelligence. Finding the enemy ships was their job. The Brits got their gunnery problems somewhat resolved because they could generally his what was in range. The shells were an Ordnance problem (like our torpedoes in WW II).<br />T. Morgan<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-7588769706228507342017-12-29T10:37:22.195-08:002017-12-29T10:37:22.195-08:00If the British didn't have the right shells it...If the British didn't have the right shells it is then also a failure of Naval intelligence to know what they needed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17984095697069348960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-12749898659555558452017-12-29T10:30:20.883-08:002017-12-29T10:30:20.883-08:00And the real reason is far more complex than these...And the real reason is far more complex than these few sentences make it out to be. This is a well researched area, I would expect a bit more detail here, like; better armor on German warships, better compartmentalization etc. Of course, that extra armor came at a price; short legs for the German fleet (short range due to heavier design GRT and the lack of space to carry more coal). And, what Mark Merritthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06678259155149954645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2769870738847154628.post-76413503192919775532017-12-29T10:29:33.094-08:002017-12-29T10:29:33.094-08:00Didn't they test the shells in the proceeding ...Didn't they test the shells in the proceeding years? They had plenty of pre-dreadnoughts to use.Marc Sheinberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17994714327325097291noreply@blogger.com