Now all roads lead to France and heavy is the tread
Of the living; but the dead returning lightly dance.
Edward Thomas, Roads

Monday, March 20, 2023

Clapham Junction: A Little Forgotten Hotspot in the Ypres Salient


Clapham Junction, England, Just After the War

Clapham Junction was in 1914, and is currently, Britain's busiest interchange station. Clapham Junction opened in 1863,  and today  sees about 2000 trains pass through every day, making it the busiest station in Britain in  the number of people who pass through the station every day.


A Cavalry Station Early in the War


Considered one of the "hottest" spots of the Western Front, and certainly in the Ypres Salient, the Menin Road was the scene of  intense fighting every year of the war. Strung along the Menin Road are such famous Great War battle sites as Sanctuary Wood and Hooge. Another site of recurrent action on the road is a slightly less-remembered crossroads with the evocative name "Clapham Junction". Like its namesake, it saw an awful lot of action and traffic. A some point it reminded some Tommies of the big train station back home and they gave it a nickname that stuck.


Note the Converging Roads and the Proximity of
Hooge Chateau and Stirling Castle


Today, not one but two memorials are located at Clapham Junction. One is to the Gloucestershire 1st and 2nd Battalions which saw heavy service during the First and Second Battles of Ypres in 1914 and 1915 respectively.  The 18th "Eastern" Division was a New Army formation that fought in the northern sector of the Salient during the opening of the Battle of Passchendaele and moved to this area for its final stages. The woods of the infamous "Stirling Castle" are to the south of both memorials.


Today — Gloucestershire Monument, Left, and
the 18th Division Monument, Right

The "Clapham Junction" moniker was applied to another crossroads manned by the British Army far away from the Western Front. In 1915, the British forces advancing in the Cape Helles sector found an nice site for a rear-area casualty clearance station and supply dump with road access in all four directions and a stream to provide water. Apparently, it reminded someone in the map section of that famous interchange back in Blighty.


Australian Troops and Support Tanks at
Clapham Junction, 1917


Sunday, March 19, 2023

Dying Time: The Period of the Worst American Casualties in the War

 

Sunday Morning at Cunel, Capt. Harvey Dunn


Any man in those woods from the 4th to the 17th of October knows. . .the true situation. The shell-torn woods were wet and muddy; everything was wet and damp, raw, cold, and clammy. From all sides came the odor of death and decay, mangled bodies of men were everywhere. . . The mental strain was maddening, the physical strain exhausted us, yet we had to be alert. The enemy counterattacked, time and time again.

Sergeant Major James Block, 59th Infantry, 5th Division


Meuse-Argonne Sector: October 1918
Hindenburg Line Defense (Barbed Line); Romagne Height (Center); Cunel Heights (Right)


By some measures the Meuse-Argonne Offensive is still the largest battle America ever fought. To achieve the main objective of the operation—breaking the German rail network at Mézières and Sedan—Pershing's forces would need to battle through three ridgelines, the most formidable of which, the Romagne and Cunel Heights, were centered at Romagne about seven miles from the jump-off line of 26 September 1918. 


Meuse Heights
Assault of 33rd and 29th Divisions


Running through these formidable obstacles were the main German field fortifications in eastern France, the Kriemhilde Stellung section of the Hindenburg Line. Col. Hugh Drum, First Army chief of staff, had these heights in mind when he called the sector "the most ideal defensive terrain I have ever seen or read about." Further, any push north toward Sedan could be observed and be subject to artillery fire from the Meuse Heights that paralleled that river on its eastern side. The entire sector from Verdun to Sedan could be observed and be subject to artillery fire from these low hills. 


1st Division Attack at Exermont, SW Corner of
Romagne Heights



Côte de Châtillon, Northern Most Piece of the Romagne
Heights, Captured 16 October 1918 by the 42nd Division


It was while attacking the Romagne, Cunel, and Meuse heights in mid-October 1918 that American would suffer its most intense casualties of the Great War.  Over 11 days, the U.S. Army would suffer more killed and wounded per-day than in the Battle of the Bulge of the Second World War.


Madelaine Farm on the Road to the Cunel Heights. Cunel on the North Side of the Woods Was Secured by the 5th Division
on 22 October, Decisively Breaking the Hindenburg Line
in the Central Meuse-Argonne


The Fighting Described Here Is the Reason America's
 Largest Cemetery in Europe Is Located at Romagne


Just how vital the Meuse Heights were to the Germans was not lost in a field order sent from General von der Marwitz to his divisions. A copy was discovered by the Americans in an abandoned German trench and translated by First Army intelligence. “According to the news that we possess the enemy is going to attack the 5th Army and try and push toward Longuyon-Sedan,” Marwitz warned. “The most important artery of the army of the West… It is on the invincible resistance of the Verdun Front, that the fate of a great part of the Western Front depends, and perhaps the fate of our people."


Meuse Heights from the 8 October Jumping Off
Point of the 33rd Division



Molleville Farm, a Key Position East of the Meuse,
Taken by the 29th Division, 16 October


Despite the fierce German resistance by the third week of October, the First Army, now under tactical command of General Hunter Liggett, had cleared the Romagne and Cunel Heights, and suppressed much of the German artillery fire from the Meuse Heights. Preparations had begun for pressing on over the rolling terrain to the north, the route to Sedan. The number of killed, wounded, maimed soldiers that America had sacrificed to get to that point, though, was tragic.









Saturday, March 18, 2023

Something Important Chaged Dramatically After World War I


Women's Hats

Before



After


Thanks to the incomparable Iowahawk (or Mrs. Hawk) for pointing this out and posting these great graphics.

By the way, if you have other suggestions for future "Something Important Changed. . ." articles in the future please post them in the comments section below.

Friday, March 17, 2023

General Philippe Pétain — A Roads Collection


Henri-Philippe Pétain, 
(born April 24, 1856, Cauchy-à-la-Tour, France—died July 23, 1951, Île d’Yeu)





Joffre and Pétain at Souilly Headquarters, March 1916




Pétain Meeting with the Troops


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Thursday, March 16, 2023

Solzhenitsyn on God and the First World War — A Roads Classic



Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn
1918–1998


More than half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

Since then I have spent well-nigh fifty years working on the history of our Revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous Revolution that swallowed up some sixty million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: Men have forgotten God; that's why all this has happened.

What is more, the events of the Russian Revolution can only be understood now, at the end of the century, against the background of what has since occurred in the rest of the world. What emerges here is a process of universal significance. And if I were called upon to identify briefly the principal trait of the entire twentieth century, here too, I would be unable to find anything more precise and pithy than to repeat once again: Men have forgotten God.

The failings of human consciousness, deprived of its divine dimension, have been a determining factor in all the major crimes of this century. The first of these was World War I, and much of our present predicament can be traced back to it.

It was a war (the memory of which seems to be fading) when Europe, bursting with health and abundance, fell into a rage of self-mutilation which could not but sap its strength for a century or more, and perhaps forever.

The only possible explanation for this war is a mental eclipse among the leaders of Europe due to their lost awareness of a Supreme Power above them. Only a godless embitterment could have moved ostensibly Christian states to employ poison gas, a weapon so obviously beyond the limits of humanity.

Source: This is an excerpt from Solzhenitsyn's 1983 Speech,  "Men Have Forgotten God" in which he expands his theme to include the Second World War and the Mutual Assured Destruction Doctrine of the Cold War.

Wednesday, March 15, 2023

Ten War Poet Posters from the Anthem for Doomed Youth Website






























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This absolutely superbly informative and  beautifully presented site hosted by Brigham Young University has recently been upgraded and expanded.  By all means visit it HERE. MH


Tuesday, March 14, 2023

Recommended: Fifteen Exceptional Works of World War One Fiction




You can't get at the truth by history; you can only get it through novels.
Gerald Brenan, MC

 

Fiction reveals truth that reality obscures.
Ralph Waldo Emerson


A true war story, if truly told, makes the stomach believe. 
Tim O'Brien




I've tried to include a full range of fiction here from treatments of historical events, to psychological studies, to mysteries and satire.  All of these books can be purchased from Amazon.com in your preferred format. Just click on the white banner in the right column. MH












Monday, March 13, 2023

Douhet: Airpower Theorist


An Early "Air "Armada"


By Robert S. Dudney

In 1911 Italy went to war with the fading Ottoman Empire. Rome’s target was Libya, a Turkish province. It was a forgettable war but for this fact: the Italian Army brought its fledgling force of nine aircraft, which flew history’s first reconnaissance and bombing missions. For military airpower, it was the Genesis 1:1 moment. This long-ago war also had a historic indirect effect: it helped to launch a new career for an obscure Italian officer, Maj. Giulio Douhet. In a 1910 essay, he had predicted, “The skies are about to become a battlefield as important as the land or the sea. ... Only by gaining the command of the air shall we be able to derive the fullest benefit” of combat in this realm. Douhet, long an artilleryman, had just gone on aviation duty. The Libyan war convinced the army to form a true aviation unit, and Douhet got the command.

Army officers were irritated by his nontraditional ideas. They were outraged when, in early 1914, he dispensed with budgeting formalities and ordered a three-engine bomber from his friend and fellow airpower enthusiast, industrialist Giovanni “Gianni” Caproni. For that the army exiled Douhet to an infantry division at Edolo, near the Austrian border. He was there in July 1914, serving as division chief of staff and pondering airpower, when the Great War erupted in Europe. Now a colonel, Douhet badgered the army with ideas about national preparedness. Italy should build an air force potent enough “to gain command of the air,” he declared in a December 1914 essay, so as to render the enemy “harmless.” He advocated production of 500 bombers capable of dropping 125 tons of ordnance per day on “the most vital, most vulnerable, and least protected points” of Austrian or German soil. In 1915, Italy finally entered the war. Douhet was shocked by the army’s poor condition and leadership. He wrote scathing letters, advocating the use of airpower. He was arrested in September 1916 and court-martialed for spreading false news and agitation. Military judges sentenced him to a year in prison.

Then, in October 1917, came Italy’s disastrous battle at Caporetto, with some 300,000 casualties. It more than vindicated Douhet’s acid remarks about the army. As a result, he was released from jail and returned to duty as director of aviation at the General Air Commissariat. Things did not go well, and in June 1918 he left military service. The army overturned Douhet’s conviction and promoted him to brigadier, yet he declined to return and focused on his writing about airpower. It is clear Douhet was profoundly affected by the carnage of World War I, appalled at the murderous result of years of stagnant trench warfare. More deeply, he saw what happened when a force using outdated tactics and illogical plans went up against modern weapons. In 1921, Douhet completed The Command of the Air, his principal treatise on the concept of strategic airpower. While in time it would become hugely influential, initial response was muted. 

Giulio Douhet (1869–1930)

Things were different in 1926 when he published a revised and more strident version. The book drew harsh attacks, especially from army and navy partisans. Small wonder, as it openly claimed their forces to be obsolete. Douhet devoted his final four years to intellectual combat with such foes. In this, as one historian put it, he proved to be “tireless, blunt, impatient, and very self-confident.” [But] what, exactly, did Douhet preach?
  •  Wars are no longer fought between armies but between whole peoples, he believed, and future wars would be total and unrestrained, with civilians as legitimate targets.
  •  Wars are won by destroying “the enemy’s will to resist”—and only this produces “decisive victory.” Defeat of enemy forces is a poor indirect route. It is far better to strike directly at “vital centers” of power inside an enemy nation.
  •  World War I was a turning point, showing armies and navies can no longer end wars; the power of the defense—poison gas, machine guns—makes offensive action futile.
  •  The airplane, though, is revolutionary, “the offensive weapon par excellence,” able to bypass surface defenses and carry out massive attacks on cities, destroying the enemy’s will to resist.
  •  For national defense, command of the air is necessary and sufficient. The army’s job is to mop up after air attacks. The navy is of even less use.
  •  The centerpiece of Douhet’s theory was what he saw as the airplane’s potential to devastate an enemy’s industrial heartland in relatively short order. However, he believed that an air force’s first task was to achieve command of the air, similar to today’s concept of air supremacy.

A 1918 (Pre-Douhet) Vision of Future War


It was a truly apocalyptic vision. Squeamish politicians and civilians were invited by Douhet to “avert their eyes.” He saw little use for “auxiliary aviation” (that is, fighters). In later years, he even maintained these forms of aviation were “worthless, superfluous, harmful,” as they were defensive. “Viewed in its true light, aerial warfare admits of no defense, only offense,” he said. The 1920s and 1930s were years of relative peace, so Douhet’s theories did not face the test of war for two decades. 

The true extent of his influence on actual military doctrine remains a subject of controversy. . . It appears, in the United States, Douhet’s work served to reinforce the views of Air Corps officers who had already come to the same conclusions by other routes. Douhet’s convictions, as Gen. Henry H. “Hap” Arnold reported in his book, Global Mission, provided ideological ballast to U.S. Army Air Forces doctrine. “As regards strategic bombardment, the doctrines were still Douhet’s ideas modified by our own thinking in regard to pure defense,” said Arnold.

One of the most important consciousness-raising attempts by politicians about the terrible realities of air warfare came in the speech by the Conservative leader Sir Stanley Baldwin to the House of Commons in 1932. Baldwin pointed out that no town was safe: "The question is: whose morale will be shattered quickest by that preliminary bombing?" Baldwin was content to ram home his point that rapidly evolving aircraft technology was a threat in and of itself: "I think it is well also for the man in the street to realize that there is no power on earth that can protect him from being bombed, whatever people may tell him. The bomber will always get through."

Sources: Air Force magazine, April 2011; The Blitz Companion


Sunday, March 12, 2023

Quentin Roosevelt's Last Letter Home


Lt. Quentin Roosevelt, 95th Aero Squadron


On 25 June 1918 Quentin Roosevelt had proudly written to his mother: “I’m on the front—cheers, oh cheers—and I’m very happy.”

On 11 July, he sent her a more detailed letter describing his experiences. 

I got my first real excitement on the front for I think I got a Boche.

I was out on high patrol with the rest of my squadron when we got broken up, due to a mistake in formation. I dropped into a turn of a vrille [i.e., a dive]—these planes have so little surface that at five thousand you can’t do much with them. When I got straightened out I couldn’t spot my crowd any where, so, as I had only been up an hour, I decided to fool around a little before going home, as I was just over the lines. I turned and circled for five minutes or so,  and then suddenly,—the  way planes do come into focus in the air, I saw three planes in formation. At first I thought they were Boche, but as they paid no attention to me, I finally decided to chase them, thinking they were part of my crowd, so I started after them full speed. . . .

They had been going absolutely straight and I was nearly in formation when the leader did a turn, and I saw to my horror that they had white tails with black crosses on them. Still I was so near by them that I thought I might pull up a little and take a crack at them. I had altitude on them, and what was more they hadn’t seen me, so I pulled up, put my sights on the end man, and let go. I saw my tracers going all around him, but for some reason he never even turned, until all of a sudden his tail came up and he went down in a vrille. I wanted to follow him but the other two had started around after me, so I had to cut and run. However, I could half watch him looking back, and he was still spinning when he hit the clouds three thousand meters below. . . 

At the moment every one is very much pleased in our Squadron for we are getting new planes. We have been using Nieuports, which have the disadvantage of not being particularly reliable and being inclined to catch fire.

Three days later, Quentin was surrounded by German fighters and, unable to shake them, was shot twice in the head. His plane spun out of control and crashed behind enemy lines. News of Quentin’s death was reported worldwide. Even the Germans admired that the son of a president would forgo a life of privilege for the dangers of war, and they gave him a full military burial with honors.

Read our article on Quentin Roosevelt's war service and death HERE

Source: Smithsonian, 3 April 2017

Saturday, March 11, 2023

The Tommy Who Returned from the Dead


Percy Cox in 1915


It was a tale of deception, double lives, attempted murder and, ultimately, suicide, which finally unravelled after a cleaner exposed a lie. But why did English World War One soldier Percy Bush Cox want to live as Australian Ernest Durham? Percy Cox was born in Wimblington, Cambridgeshire, and was a farm worker until World War One, when he enlisted in the Royal Leicestershire Regiment. By 1916, he was sending postcards to a friend after being pitched into battle on the Western Front.

At some point during the conflict, the private hatched a plan with three other British soldiers to swap identities with Australians. He appears to have been motivated by money, because Australian soldiers took home eight times as much as the British Tommies' wage of one shilling a week. When he crawled past the body of Ernest Durham in 1918, he saw his opportunity, according to an historian. Amanda Carlin, chairwoman of March and District Museum, has studied Percy's life.  She said, "He and the three British soldiers crawled across No Man's Land to four dead Australians and changed their uniforms, took their dog tags." Percy's earning potential had rocketed, because "while Australians earned 8 shillings a week, we know that Ernest Durham was earning 11 shillings a week", she added.


Percy's Christmas Card from the Front


It was not, though, an attempt to desert. After spending time in a field hospital with what is thought to have been an arm injury, Percy went on to see action in the Australian Army.  According to Mrs Carlin, he would not have stood out because of Australia's "Anglo-only immigration policy," which meant many of the Australians had British accents. He and his comrades were also fortunate enough to be sent to a different platoon. Meanwhile, the Cox family were told Percy was missing in action and in 1919 informed he was presumed dead. It was not long before Percy Cox's name was added to Wimblington's war memorial.

It seemed Percy had got away with the deception, but leaving the army following the war was the first step towards his life starting to unravel. On being demobbed Percy emigrated to Australia, but in 1925 he returned to the UK, still calling himself Ernest Durham, and set up home in Sawston in south Cambridgeshire. It would be another 15 years before he decided to reveal to his family that he was actually still alive. The move led to a photograph being published in a newspaper in the 1940s, where Percy can be seen standing beside his brother Fred and pointing to his name on the Wimblington war memorial.


The Newspaper Photo That Gave Him Away


Despite this, he continued to live as Ernest Durham in Sawston until 1952, when he employed a cleaner, Dorothy Piper. Mrs Carlin said, "Mrs Piper found the newspaper cutting where Percy was pointing out his name and she realised he was living out this double life, so she and her husband began to blackmail him."

After he died, a letter written by Percy was found in which he said: "I can take no more of this blackmailing by the Pipers. "They have had to the tune of £400 out of me in the last nine months, a new bedroom suite, a TV, radio and washer." On 30 December 1952, when Mrs Piper turned up for work, he took up a gun and chased her out of the house, shooting at her. Mrs Carlin said, "She ran outside and he ran after her... she was screaming and screaming. "He shot her again and then turned the gun on himself."

Dorothy survived and while she was never convicted of blackmail, Mrs Carlin said she believes the Pipers received about £2,000 from Percy. The full story of his deception finally went public, but it was not until 2005 that Percy Cox's name was removed from Wimblington's War Memorial. Brian Krill, the Cambridgeshire representative of the War Memorials Trust, advised the parish council to remove the name. He said: "Thinking of all the other names on there, I'm sorry, I have no sympathy at all for Percy."

But for Mrs Carlin, having read the inquest into his death and hearing about his mood swings, Percy "was a victim of war." "It appears from accounts that he may have lost his mind, he might have been shell-shocked—we understand these things so much better now," she said.

Source: BBC, 14 November 2014 


Thursday, March 9, 2023

Weapons of War: France's Lebel Rifle, Model 1886


Going to War with the Lebel Rifle


James Patton

The French rifle Model 1886 M93, universally known as the Lebel Rifle, was the first of a series of revolutionary designs whose firepower changed infantry tactics forever going forward. The Lebel had a ten-shot capacity, featured a "small" 8mm bore (the rifle that it replaced was 11mm) and it used a revolutionary smokeless, high velocity, flat trajectory cartridge. In the arms race of the day it was followed by the Russian Moisin-Nagant in 1891, the British Lee-Enfield and the Austrian Mannlicher in 1895, the German Mauser in 1898, and the U.S. Springfield in 1903 (which is a licensed version of the Mauser). Among these, the Lebel proved to be a durable weapon that stood up well under the field conditions of WWI.

The task of developing a new rifle and cartridge was given to the ad-hoc Commission de Ármes a Répetition ("commission for repeating arms") led by General Baptiste Tramond (1834–1889), who was the commandant of the military college at Saint Cyr and an avid marksman. It was comprised of the Inspecteur de Manufacture Nationale d’Armes de Châtelleraut Col. Basil Gras (1836–1901), the designer of the previous rifle, the Model 1874, the Commandant de l’Ecole Normale de Tir at the Camp de Châlons Lt. Col. Nicolas Lebel (1838–1891), the Directeur de la Pouderie du Bouchet Col. Jules François Marie Bonnet (1840–1928), Col. Pierre Jean Castan (1817–1892), Chef du Service de Armes Portatives se la Section Technique de l’Artillerie Col. de Tristan, Capt. Désaleux and Paul Marie Eugene Vielle (1854–1934) from the Laboratoire Central des Poudres et Salpetres, the inventor (1884) of nitrocellulose-based propellants. 

The new rifle was designed at the Chatellerault state armory by Bonnet and Gras with the help of a civilian named M. Verdin. Lebel developed the flat-nosed metal jacketed bullet for the new 8x50 mm cartridge. Initially his name was only attached to this bullet rather than its official title “Balle M,” but later his name stuck to entire system, most probably because Lebel oversaw the firing trials of the new rifle.



The Lebel has a manually operated, rotary bolt action, with a multi-part bolt that has a head that is attached to the body by a cross screw. When locked in firing position, the bolt is horizontal to the receiver, differing from the Mauser and others, where the locked bolt is snug against the stock. The feed is from a tubular magazine, located below the barrel and protected by the wooden fore stock. The cartridges are moved from the magazine to the loading position by a swinging lifter, operated by the bolt. There is a magazine cutoff on the right side of the action, which when engaged blocks the loader and turns the rifle into a single-shot. The magazine capacity is eight rounds, plus two additional rounds can be carried in the rifle—one in the chamber and one in loading position in the lifter. The combination "iron" sights included a fixed "combat" blade for 250 meters range and tangent-type adjustments for ranges between 400 and 800 meters. For ranges between 800 and 2000 meters, the rear sight has to be elevated. 


Breech Detail


The Lebel rifle had a grenade launching system, called the Tromblon Vivien-Bessières (or “VB”), which entered service in 1916, invented, as its name implies, by Messrs. Jean Vivien and Calix Gustave Bessières (1881–1942). The grenade was cylindrical in shape with a circular central channel. To fire it, the grenade was placed in a cup-like device attached to the end of the barrel and the rifle was placed with its butt on the ground, canted at the appropriate angle, and, using a live round, the gun was fired. The grenade was expelled by the force of the explosion, the bullet traveling through the central channel where it hit a metal striker, which in turn set off the detonator igniting the fuse.

The range of the VB was around 150 meters and the fuse delay was five to eight seconds. It was quite effective—one of the best setups of its type used during the war. Versions of the VB were adapted for use with the American M1903 Springfield and M1917 Enfield rifles.

The Lebel had drawbacks,  particularly when compared to its rivals:

 The tubular magazine was hard to reload—the others had box magazines which could be recharged by using stripper clips.

 The tubular magazine added weight to the barrel which changed with every shot fired.

 The sights were hard to align and subject to damage from careless handling.

 The cartridge was 50mm long, compared to the Mauser’s 57mm or the Springfield’s 63mm. Thus, the size of the charge was smaller and so the muzzle velocity was lower. Because the Lebel had a tubular magazine, the length of the cartridge affected the capacity of the magazine—with a 57mm cartridge the magazine could have held only seven.

 There was no manual safety. Soldiers were taught that the rifle would always be carried with no round in the chamber (thus reducing the combat load to nine bullets).

 Field-stripping was more difficult because the Lebel required a screwdriver.

 The receiver was a medium slab-sided milling which was more time-consuming to machine and added weight to the rifle as compared to its contemporaries.

 Due to the size of the receiver, the Lebel used a two-piece stock, so the top of the barrel was completely exposed – in rapid fire the user could be burned by the hot barrel.



With minor modifications, the Lebel rifle served with the French army and its colonial forces until WWII, and the three-shot carbine version was used up to the Algerian War of 1960. In 1916 the reorganized Serbian army was equipped with the Lebel when they were serving alongside the French at Salonika. During the WWI era three manufacturers produced more than 2.5 million rifles. In 1968 I could’ve bought one at an estate sale in Ardsley, NY for $15. Today Lebels in firing condition list for around $1,500 on the internet. Should’ve bought it.